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| Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:57:45 -0700 From: Sarlo <sarlo at globalserve.net> Subject: Unsub from Jivano Jivano wanted to pass on the following statement about why he has left the list, in the wake of the encounter between Madhu and Dhyan. Love, Sarlo |
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| Hi everyone, On the day that Venus transited the Sun I unsubbed from the Sannyas-list and Zenroom (moderated by Madhu). I am also considering resigning from my assistant moderatorship at Sannyas-en and unsubbing from there as well for slightly different reasons which I will not go into here. I figured Sarlo would make some sort of announcement as he usually does when an active member leaves but he has indicated he would prefer to wait for me to make my own statement. I don't consider myself to be a great meditator or witness or that my immediate goal is even to become enlightened. I'm just a man who has been drawn to the compassionate energy of my master. I am a troubled person with deep wounds who has not been very successful at healing himself but I do the best I can with the resources that are available to me. I know that community has very different meanings for different people. For me, one of the most important aspects of a thriving community is that it provides a nurturing and loving environment for its members, especially when we are living in such a violent and dysfunctional societal atmosphere. We are all operating on different levels with various types of conditionings. For some people a verbal cyber assault from a total stranger is a great way to gauge their level of awareness. For others it is simply a devastating experience. A few weeks ago I was attacked by an ex-member of this list on Zenroom with absolutely no provocation. She seems to think I am harboring some sort of grudge against her when it is clear she is the one holding on to the angry feelings. I was flabbergasted but responded as gently and honestly as I could, along with an Osho pic which Madhu has stated should accompany any such "chit-chat". |
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| Madhu chose to censor my post without even bothering to tell me what was up. Imagine my surprise, a short time later, when Madhu comes onto this list and launches his own diatribe against a newcomer who has been most honest and forthcoming. His "facts" were totally erroneous. He admits himself he hasn't even received half the relevant posts. He claims he is coming from his heart. Give me a fucking break asshole. No one with any intelligence is going to believe that. The other day, Madhu, you asked if you should shut up. |
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| My response is... Yes. Shut the fuck up and consider the consequences before you open your mouth. If this were an isolated incident I would still be in this group but it happens on a regular basis. There is no place for wounded people to heal but there is plenty of space for sadistic motherfuckers to inflict harm. When people come here there is no warning that they are likely to be subjected to all kinds of torture tests and confrontations. I strongly suggest that this should be the primary welcome message... Watch your ass! You are about to be mindfucked in the name of our master. |
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| This isn't about moderation or setting controls on people's behaviour. It's about individuals taking full responsibility for their own actions, something which seems to be sadly lacking in a large number of sannyasins. You can rationalize this sort of shitty acting out any way you want, but that doesn't change the fact that actions of this sort have real effects and consequences for people who might not have the same strengths and support systems as you do. This is not conscious sharing. OK. I've made my point. I need to heal and cannot do it here. It's bad enough having to fend off personal attacks on myself but I simply cannot witness this shit being done to others. So I'm not much of a meditator. So I am still identified with my ego. So what? I've left this group. Goodbye. Jivano |
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